Beiträge von Der_Planer

Wenn ich die Abschnitte an allen Dachrinnen lösche, und sie mit Lang/Kurz auf die richtige Länge bringe, gibt es auch keinen Absturz mehr.

Ich kann Bauteile mit der genannten Textur ohne Probleme visualisieren.
Der Zusammenhang Textur --> Absturz scheint mir zufällig zu sein.
Kannst Du die gepackte Position hochladen?

I think, Joachim Neumann will soon change it against the ugly questionmarkface.

Hi Kayaker,

after work comes fun:

What about an other forum avatar? Do you like the one I just painted?

[Blockierte Grafik: http://abbund-cad-service.de/dhp/kayaker.gif]

Of course, you can.
Instead of measuring the real walls, you can take the measures out of the architect plan.
Walls: in ground floor you cannot create round walls. But in Dicam, there are at least 2 possibilities:
- extruding assisting geometry with 2-5, or
- make a half circle ring 2-1-3 and use it as wall.

The roof can be made with as many segments as you need, by using the normal roof design.
- Make a new building outline, using the edges of the Dicam half ring.
- with 2-7, select all except line_2, and give them a pitch (or slope?) example: 35°
- As you see in the picture, side 1+3 need a correction --> measure point to line (see purple arrows)
- change side 1+3 to the measured slope (a little fewer than 35°, take a 6 digit precision)
- put in some beams, and get the deal.

Sorry, but I don't understand what your question means "approach ... from another angle". (my bad English knowledge) :oops:

Zitat von audi

Und wiso nicht Krüsimatik

ist weiter als 1 Autobahnstunde...

add 3 minutes.

3d measuring has some advantages:
- you can do it alone (in most cases)
- it is exact (±3 mm)
- you get the measure points where you really need them (near the top of the wall)
- it makes a lot of fun
- you can measure points, which you could never reach manually
- you are back home before sunset
- you have optical control in the model
- and a hundred more...

and Kayaker:

I hope you can sleep tonight, without having too much wonderful 3d pipe dreams... (o)

You see the yellow box on the tripod?
It's a laser theodolit.
It stores 3d points without needing another measure tool.
The electronic gets horizontal and vertical angle, the distance is measured by a laser beam, and the result is a defined 3d point. For this project I collected 81 points, and measuring was complete in 12 minutes.

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A u f m a ß - P r o t o k o l l

Job Name: PHA
gemessen: G.TONN

BUILDER R100M Gerät Nr: 900477
Job angelegt: 05.07.2008 07:42:53

Messpunkte:
1(Pt-ID) 9.681(x) 7.786(y) +1.588(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:42:54
2(Pt-ID) 14.284(x) 7.523(y) +1.514(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:10
3(Pt-ID) 17.115(x) 10.814(y) +1.567(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:23
4(Pt-ID) 12.619(x) 10.730(y) +1.435(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:37
5(Pt-ID) 9.511(x) 7.521(y) +2.312(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:50
6(Pt-ID) 9.693(x) 7.943(y) +2.309(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:43:58
7(Pt-ID) 9.165(x) 8.316(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:03
8(Pt-ID) 8.698(x) 9.152(y) +2.310(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:08
9(Pt-ID) 8.808(x) 10.347(y) +2.299(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:12
10(Pt-ID) 9.612(x) 11.192(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:17
11(Pt-ID) 10.697(x) 11.399(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:23
12(Pt-ID) 11.644(x) 10.973(y) +2.315(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:29
13(Pt-ID) 12.084(x) 10.454(y) +2.305(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:35
14(Pt-ID) 12.203(x) 10.527(y) +2.308(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:39
15(Pt-ID) 12.705(x) 10.769(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:44
16(Pt-ID) 13.477(x) 10.824(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:52
17(Pt-ID) 13.482(x) 10.816(y) +1.346(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:44:58
18(Pt-ID) 13.487(x) 10.817(y) +0.017(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:04
19(Pt-ID) 14.135(x) 12.472(y) +0.884(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:20
20(Pt-ID) 14.803(x) 12.821(y) +0.881(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:26
21(Pt-ID) 15.769(x) 12.830(y) +0.858(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:33
22(Pt-ID) 16.314(x) 12.577(y) +0.883(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:45
23(Pt-ID) 16.384(x) 12.528(y) +0.701(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:50
24(Pt-ID) 16.387(x) 12.532(y) +0.062(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:45:55
25(Pt-ID) 16.937(x) 11.847(y) +0.070(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:03
26(Pt-ID) 16.937(x) 11.847(y) +1.265(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:06
27(Pt-ID) 16.944(x) 11.839(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:16
28(Pt-ID) 17.066(x) 11.355(y) +2.311(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:21
29(Pt-ID) 17.080(x) 10.840(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:26
30(Pt-ID) 17.525(x) 10.774(y) +2.309(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:34
31(Pt-ID) 17.531(x) 10.776(y) +1.702(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:39
32(Pt-ID) 17.528(x) 10.775(y) +1.094(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:44
33(Pt-ID) 17.027(x) 10.568(y) +1.066(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:52
34(Pt-ID) 16.726(x) 9.966(y) +1.065(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:46:55
35(Pt-ID) 16.023(x) 9.410(y) +1.070(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:01
36(Pt-ID) 15.740(x) 9.338(y) +1.111(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:32
37(Pt-ID) 15.747(x) 9.332(y) +1.668(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:40
38(Pt-ID) 15.745(x) 9.333(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:48
39(Pt-ID) 15.038(x) 9.248(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:47:56
40(Pt-ID) 15.034(x) 9.248(y) +1.342(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:02
41(Pt-ID) 15.040(x) 9.257(y) +0.045(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:08
42(Pt-ID) 15.037(x) 9.162(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:15
43(Pt-ID) 14.987(x) 8.571(y) +2.311(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:21
44(Pt-ID) 14.747(x) 8.028(y) +2.308(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:26
45(Pt-ID) 14.386(x) 7.630(y) +2.305(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:40
46(Pt-ID) 14.295(x) 7.524(y) +2.304(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:48
47(Pt-ID) 14.279(x) 7.521(y) +1.699(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:55
48(Pt-ID) 14.286(x) 7.513(y) +1.095(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:48:59
49(Pt-ID) 14.148(x) 7.454(y) +1.072(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:04
50(Pt-ID) 13.404(x) 7.212(y) +1.065(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:10
51(Pt-ID) 12.667(x) 7.286(y) +1.068(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:14
52(Pt-ID) 12.248(x) 7.490(y) +1.069(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:20
53(Pt-ID) 12.229(x) 7.484(y) +1.665(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:27
54(Pt-ID) 12.223(x) 7.473(y) +2.306(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:34
55(Pt-ID) 12.200(x) 7.515(y) +2.309(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:39
56(Pt-ID) 11.886(x) 7.783(y) +2.312(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:46
57(Pt-ID) 11.623(x) 8.154(y) +2.307(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:53
58(Pt-ID) 11.620(x) 8.172(y) +2.190(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:49:58
59(Pt-ID) 11.614(x) 8.168(y) +1.269(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:05
60(Pt-ID) 11.616(x) 8.170(y) +0.023(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:13
61(Pt-ID) 11.197(x) 7.931(y) +2.302(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:35
62(Pt-ID) 11.208(x) 7.941(y) +1.601(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:42
63(Pt-ID) 11.211(x) 7.945(y) +1.085(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:51
64(Pt-ID) 10.952(x) 7.843(y) +1.057(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:50:59
65(Pt-ID) 10.370(x) 7.780(y) +1.056(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:05
66(Pt-ID) 9.978(x) 7.841(y) +1.052(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:10
67(Pt-ID) 9.712(x) 7.947(y) +1.061(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:17
68(Pt-ID) 9.707(x) 7.934(y) +1.663(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:23
69(Pt-ID) 9.704(x) 7.931(y) +2.168(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:51:28
70(Pt-ID) 8.628(x) 8.494(y) +2.536(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:22
71(Pt-ID) 8.629(x) 8.494(y) +2.637(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:26
72(Pt-ID) 8.594(x) 8.815(y) +2.593(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:31
73(Pt-ID) 8.598(x) 8.788(y) +2.899(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:40
74(Pt-ID) 8.534(x) 9.374(y) +2.870(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:46
75(Pt-ID) 8.454(x) 10.120(y) +2.874(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:50
76(Pt-ID) 8.384(x) 10.763(y) +2.893(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:52:56
77(Pt-ID) 8.511(x) 10.805(y) +2.888(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:53:02
78(Pt-ID) 8.506(x) 10.874(y) +2.896(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:53:07
79(Pt-ID) 8.379(x) 12.034(y) +2.911(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:53:12
80(Pt-ID) 8.089(x) 10.732(y) +5.444(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:54:02
81(Pt-ID) 8.077(x) 10.748(y) +7.078(z) +0.000(hr) 05.07.08 07:54:11

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Data output (via serial cable) can be done in different formats, for example as txt (see above) or as 3d dxf file (picture below).

Hi Kayaker,

it's all Dicam work. No walls. No roof.

- 3D measure with Leica Builder (as you see on the photo)
- assisting geometry in ground floor, (some circles and lines)
- extruded the "wall" shape in Dicam
- created a Dicam 12 edges cone 2-2-3 to get some regular 3D clickpoints
- added beams
- turn, push, cut...
- finished.

gemailte Sachen?
Identifizierung?

Ihr sprecht in Rätseln :roll:

Zitat

forum ist einfach super

Ja, das finde ich auch.

Der Fehler lag darin begründet, dass die Traufhöhen der Dachversprünge zu ungenau eingegeben wurden. Man soll in solchen Fällen immer mit einer bezogenen Seite rechnen.

Die Unterschiede sind so gering, dass sie beim Neuberechnen wegen einer Toleranzgrenze nicht berücksichtigt werden. Wenn man zusätzlich eine kleine Änderung eingibt (z.B. an Seite 7 einen 2 mm kürzeren Überstand), kommt eine geschlossene Dachausmittlung zustande.

siehe Anhang.

I'm not quite sure, it was about 20 car minutes southwest from Cologne.

No, it's not me on the pic, he is the carpenter who shall raise up the 3 cones in Timbuktu (Hotel reception).

(I am hiding myself behind the cam)

AdobeAcrobat 3D is not free, perhaps it is 1000...1500$ ?

You can view the 3d model with the free AdobeReader version 7 or higher.
There are different possibilities to get the model from Dietrich's to Acrobat 3D:

1. you can capture it directly from OpenGL view. It's very fast. But: you cannot switch off/on/transparent single parts ,only all in one, and all parts have the same texture.

2. you can create a 3d dxf export as solids (not lines), and read them into Adobe 3D (by drag and drop). I created the cone roof model in this way. Dxf doesn't transfer textures, so the pdf model will only be colored. You can switch on/off/transparent any part (rightclick on a part and follow the menu).

3. you can also read a vrml file with textures into Adobe 3D. The result will be beautiful (Acrobat version 7 did it better than ver 8 does). But: you cannot switch the beams, but only every single face of a beam.

I prefer solution 2.

There are 1000 features more, what you can do with Acrobat 3D. Colors, textures, animations, make parts movable on click, ... and much more. But it takes a lot lot lot lot lot of time to learn it all.

Time is money, and money we have none...

You need Adobe-3D and Dietrich's 3d-dxf-export.

Yes, here you are!
(picture and 3d-pdf)

Hi Kayaker,

there are different ways, what you can do with pictures:

1: solid-colored (opaque)
2: translucent picture (but not translucent construction with visible background lines)
3: solid with transparent background
4: translucent picture with transparent background

That's what I said with PhotoShop. What you need (and already got) is a

5: solid picture with translucent construction.