Shoulder connection posts to two beams - problem!?

Hello!

When I put posts in my walls I use shoulder as connection to top- and bottom plates etc. But over windows and doors I have to beams - and here the shoulder is done in only the one beam but not at the other one. First I had only cut off the posts when they meet the two beams, but that is not what we want to do. At picture 3 you can see at the nearest beam what we want - but at the other beam this is not done.

I have tried almost everything - lap joint, end lap joints etc., but nothing seems to give the wanted result. Of course I would like an easy and fast way to do it, because I have many that I am going to change. And of course I would like also a method that works automatically when I put in posts.

Eiij, I cannot upload the pictures!!?? Do you understand what I meam without the pictures??

I will try to upload againg, because I think not that I have already used my quota.

Eiij what to do about that: "Sorry, you have reached your maximum Upload Quota Limit of 512 KB"

If I delete pictures in the upload center - will they still be visible in the old messages?

Well here they come - the pictures.

And the last picture - I hope you can help me.

Ok - it seems to be a tuff question this one, since there are no answers yet. I found a possible solution - but it does not work automatically when I put in posts. I make the one beam 1 mm longer in each end. Then it works when I put "group shoulders" manually and select the one beam where the shoulders are not done.

First of all it was the double beams I made different lenght.

Secondly it doesn't work what you suggested - maybe because when I select the receiving beams I don't select both even I use "collect" and make a window around the beams. I did what you said (I already tried that before) and here is the result (see picture).

OK - I have to do the shoulders 2 times, and second time I can choose the line of the beam that goes through the posts.

So I guess it is not possible to select both double beams at one time?

And next time when I put in timbers in a wall from scratch, and put in posts - then it will automatically make the shoulders only in one of the beams, and then afterwards I should add shoulders to the other beam manually.

Zitat von Der_planner

@Dietrich's: Would it be possible to create both shoulders at once? And if not, would it at least be possible to manually connect a group of posts to a group of beams when they are one behind another as shown in the example?

Yes exactly - very interesting questions - to that I would like to hear an answer from Markus or other Dietrichs people! I have also put that in the "wish list" another place in the forum.

Hmmm... I think there is a problem - I did all these double beam shoulders yesterday, but today when I open the project they seem to be gone. I will return if this comes back.

Hmmm... now I see that it is random if the program remembers the double shoulders or not - many of the was ok. But now I am checking the walls once again - and at least in one case the shoulders on the one beam were gone.

Maybe I should do what you say - to avoid the problems coming back when I send the project for production.

How should I explode it? Should I stand on the last shoulder and explode, or should I mark all shoulders and explode or should I explode shoulders one by one?

Dietrichs: This is really something that need a solution - if there are not other ways that works.

So they should program it, he, he... The next question could be: Would it be possible to receive same result with another type of connection? I tried end lap joint, but I am not sure if it works.

You see at this picture how beatiful it is...

The strange thing is that it worked in some walls and stayed ok, and in other walls it did not work and stayed not ok. So now I have done the explode thing in the walls where it was not ok.

A simple solution how to select both double beams would be to make it possible to select items in the section view at the right side of the wall!